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2012 Draft
QUARTERBACKS |
Andrew Luck
6040 234 Stanford (Arm: 32½. Hand: 10)) |
Combine: Forty: 4.67 | BP: DNP | VJ: 36.0 | BJ: 124
| 3C: 6.80 | 20Sh: 4.28 | 60Sh: DNP |
Pro
Day (Brandt) -
Luck had an outstanding workout. He threw very, very
well despite heavy, blowing winds. He throws a real
tight spiral, which allows the ball to cut through
the wind. He has 10-inch hands, which are not overly
big but are above average.
Pro
Day (Gollin) -
Watched it on NFLN. No surprises. Made every throw.
You can't gauge football IQ from a Pro Day workolut.
Wiz was at the Stanford Pro Day.
Pro Football Draft Guide -
There’s no such thing as a can’t miss QB but Luck
has a better chance to turn into an All Pro than any
prospect in the past decade
PFW Scout's Candid Comment:
"Luck is not special. He's missing something, and
it's hard to put your finger on it exactly - I've
talked to other GM's around the league and there is
no one out there who thinks this guy is (Peyton)
Manning or (John) Elway. A winner, yes. A
game-changer no..."
From nfl.com -
If RG III hadn’t hit the scene, Luck likely would
have been considered one of the most sure-thing
prospects in the past decade. Prototypical pro-style
quarterback who can make all the line calls,
formation shifts, pass drops, and throws necessary
to be successful at the next level. Will likely be
the top pick overall and start immediately/
possesses the intangibles to be a franchise stalwart
for years to come.
Intangibles set him apart…has all the traits of a
franchise quarterback. Tough, durable and willing to
step into a throw under pressure. Has a deliberate
set-up with no wasted motion /can play from many
different looks…learned under Jim Harbaugh and David
Shaw. Has the size to take a hit, and the athletic
ability to make plays happen with his feet. On the
move, he makes his second and third reads with ease.
Very compact and quick release…can fire it out to
the flats with ease off one-step drops. Makes fewer
and fewer mistakes with each succeeding year….rarely
forces a ball into tight coverage. Clean off the
field, and rarely makes a mistake on it.
One would be
hard-pressed to find negatives to Luck's game. No
glaring weaknesses in his play…not the athlete that
RG3 is, but that is simply not his game. There were
times when Luck second-guessed passes and didn't see
a breaking corner coming from another zone, but
generally he’ll identify
and improve on this weaknesses
ESPN (Scouts, Inc.) -
Better than average mental makeup. Certainly in the
upper echelon of college quarterbacks. Tough both
mentally and physically. Shoulders a lot of
responsibility conducting a pro-style offense. A
natural when it comes to checking off the safety.
Good at going through progression reads. Protects
the football and limits mental errors. Will hang in
the pocket and make throws with defenders in his
face. Trusts his arm too much. Has a bit of FB
mentality. Must learn the value of sliding and
protecting his body.
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Better than average accuracy.
Excellent touch. Knows how to change velocities
/throws a very 'catchable' ball. Can drop the ball
in-between defenders and make all the necessary
throws accurately (has vastly improved his ball
placement since 2009 - 2010 season).
Inconsistent with his
footwork at times. Gets lazy going from one read to
the next and will throw off-balance too often. But
makes impressive and accurate throws falling away or
with defenders all over him. Could improve deep ball
accuracy. Sometimes floats and aims throws.
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Upper-echelon arm strength. Gets very good zip on
deep outs and can fit the ball into tight spots
beyond 15 yards.. Good overall mechanics and a
smooth, compact and relatively quick release. Comes
over the top most of the time but can also change
release points. Will pat the ball before delivering
it.
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Other QB prospects are faster and more dangerous but
few have better pocket presence. Does not abort the
pocket when unnecessary. Consistently can sidestep
or step up to avoid the rush, and will reset within
the pocket rather than taking off prematurely. But
can extend plays outside of the pocket and keeps
eyes downfield. Knows when to tuck the ball and run.
Good speed for his size and vision and
competitiveness as a runner.
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Robert
Griffin III 6023 223 Baylor (Arm: 32¼. Hand: 9½) |
Combine: Forty: 4.41 |
BP: DNP | VJ: 39.0 | BJ: 120 | 3C: DNP | 20Sh: DNP |
60Sh: DNP |
Pro
Day -
The workout was outstanding. I’m not sure whether he
or Andrew Luck should be the No. 1 overall draft
pick. Of the 51 passes that he threw, just two
weren’t catchable. His arm strength is very, very
good; he threw the ball with ease 60 yards down the
field. His anticipation was very good; he was able
to hit receivers coming across the field.Griffin has
excellent feet, and he’s equally good going to his
right or his left. Many players are better off going
one way or the other, but he was equally impressive
both ways.There’s no question in my mind, after
seeing him work out today, that he’s going to be a
very, very good NFL quarterback in the future. He’s
got everything you need in a passing arm, and he’s
got speed and quickness of feet. I talked to a
linebackers coach after the workout, and he said he
hopes he doesn’t have to play against Griffin more
than once every three or four years.
Pro Football Draft Guide -
Like Cam Newton a year ago, Griffin’s athleticism
overshadows the strides he’s made as a passer. That
athleticism will allow him to survive until he fully
grasps and NFL offense.
From nfl.com -
Some say RG3 is not only the most physically gifted
quarterback in the 2012 draft, but also the most
talented player…overall. Intangibles are making many
general managers swoon. Because of his athleticism
and ability to extend plays , focus on moving the
ball downfield and his hurdling ability, some feel
he’s a better prospect than Luck. Either way, RG3
likely will be a top-five pick and is so talented
that teams who already young quarterbacks
will have a
tough time passing up him up.
A talented quarterback built for the
position…slightly undersized, but his athletic
ability allows him tomake plays with his feet,
extend plays, make the deep throw, and lead his team
down the field. Same natural talents as Cam Newton
sans the
size. Simply so
athletic that defenders rarely get a shot at
him…extremely explosive.. drops back with absolute
ease. Unafraid to to step into a throw in traffic,
or reset outside the pocket. Uunlike Luck, he can
also move the chains with his feet. Senior year
reaffirmed that he is an athletic quarterback rather
than vice versa (i.e. a guy who can make all the
smart throws first, and create later if necessary).
Lacks prototypical size and could have durability
issues if he is hit often enough (but should be
athletic enough to avoid big hits, even at the
pro-level. Some
might worry that he will look to run first at the
next level. Had only one strong season in college,
but performed well on a big stage.
ESPN (Scouts, Inc.) - Better than average head
for position. Baylor's Offense does not translate to
the NFL game, but mobility gives him more room for
error than many other QB prospects. Has a lot to
learn about identifying coverages and hot reads.
Lack of ideal height leads to some problems seeing
entire field, but is an intelligent and disciplined
individual. Great work ethic / capable of digesting
a new system quickly.
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Short accuracy is still a work in progress (lacks
ideal touch and must learn to take some mustard off
his fastball. Can be a bit off-target on underneath
throws, which lessens RAC opportunities.
Intermediate accuracy is above-average – will miss
within the strike zone at times -- but can
anticipate passing windows and fit the ball into
tight spots. Deep accuracy vastly improved - drop
the ball in between defenders. Above average
anticipation on deep throws. Very good touch and
improvement in trajectory awareness. Can hit target
from many different release points"
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Smooth delivery. Little bit longer release than
ideal but not a wind-up delivery. Very smooth and
relaxed. Ball explodes off his hand. Arm strength
just a notch below NFL-elite. Can make all the
throws and can driving the ball down the field with
ease. Can get great velocity on throws even when
forced to short-stride or when he can’t drive off
back foot. Smaller-than-ideal hands will struggle at
times to grip-and-rip on shorter throws. Lacks great
control on pump fakes. Some balls batted down at the
line of scrimmage.
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"Rare athleticism and speed for the position. Will
become one of the most dynamic dual-threat QBs in
the NFL / in the same class as Michael Vick.
Above-average pocket presence. Initial quickness is
outstanding. Few college QBs buy more second-chance
passing opportunities. Comfortable rolling out and
throwing to both sides. Elite foot quickness,
elusiveness and burst as a runner.
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Ryan
Tannehill 6037 221 Texas A&M (Arm: 32½. Hand: 9) |
Combine: DNP. Forty: 4.62 |
BP: DNP | VJ: DNP | BJ: DNP | 3C: DNP | 20Sh: DNP |
60Sh: DNP |
Pro day -
After his
performance at the Texas A&M pro day Thursday, I
think there’s a very good chance he can be a top
pick in the NFL draft in April.. The skill set that
he showed was really, really good. He had an
outstanding workout. He moves around well, he’s got
accuracy and he’s got good velocity on the ball.
It’s just going to be how people see him, as to
where he’s going to get drafted. He has excellent
ability and skills. He put on a show Thursday.
Tannehill threw 68 passes in a
scripted workout coordinated by Chris Weinke,
a former NFL QB who has been training Tannehill
recently. A&M players Jeff Fuller and Cyrus Gray
served as Tannehill’s receivers.Fifteen of
Tannehill’s passes were on the goal line, and the
rest were on the 30-yard line going downfield. He
missed one long pass and had two drops; otherwise,
he was perfect. He also did the 40-yard dash in 4.62
seconds, running it just once.
As good as Tannehill’s
performance was, it did take place “against air,” so
to speak. There were no defensive backs there;
nobody was engaging receivers coming off the line.
But he spins the ball well; it comes out of his hand
quickly. He does all of the things you look for on
the field. If he works at the off-the-field
preparation, like I think he will, I think he has a
chance to be a very good NFL quarterback.
He’s a big, strong kid that can
rip the ball. He ran the 40-yard dash in 4.62
seconds, but we all knew he was athletic already
because he’s a former wide receiver. His foot is
fine. He threw the ball extremely well on short,
intermediate and deep passes. His movement skills in
the pocket were excellent; he had good feet and good
accuracy on the run. Everything checks out.
I expected to see all that. This
was a scripted workout and it confirmed what I saw
on tape. Potentially, down the road, he could be a
franchise quarterback. The problem is, he’s not
ready to play right now. He’s very raw; he only had
19 starts in college. However, because the NFL
is so overheated right now when it comes to finding
franchise quarterbacks, I think the kid is probably
going to go higher than he should. I think Cleveland
has to take him at No. 4, and if they don’t, Miami
is sitting there at No. 8. So the worst-case
scenario for him is, I think, that he’s going to go
at No. 8 to the Dolphins. But I don’t think he’s
ready to play Day 1. I don’t think he trusts his
reads yet. He’s got a long way to go, but I think
he’s got the tools necessary to be a franchise
quarterback.
Mayock Pre-Senior Bowl Position Rank: 3.
PFW Scout's Candid Comment:
"What you have to keep in mind when you're looking
at Tannehill - Mike Sherman's offense is not very
good. (He) has plenty of arm talent. He's athletic,
he can move around, he's got a ton of upside. If you
have time to sit him, you can hit big in a few
years."
Pro Football Draft Guide -
He
probably needs another year to get ready, but a
potentially solid starter in a West Coast offense
From nfl.com -
Dynamic
athlete who was a major contributor at receiver for
his first 2+ college years. More of a gunslinger
early on as a QB, but has morphed into an effective
and efficient pocket passer. A fierce competitor
with the overall tools to be a first- or
second-round pick.
Calm dropping back from center…it’s obvious that he
is a natural athlete at the position. Good feel for
pressure and has made his scrambling ability a heavy
asset in the passing game as a play-extender.
Mechanically sound / can anticipate where the
receiver will be… fairly consistent accuracy on all
throws and a consummate running threat. Only one
year’s collegiate experience but has demonstrated he
has the arm and decision to make it in the NFL. Did
a lot to dispel inexperience concerns in his senior
year, but he will need to continue to develop before
he’s ready to start.
ESPN (Scouts, Inc.) - Physically tough with
enough mental toughness to succeed at the position.
Best football appears in front of him. Natural
leader on the field with clear command of huddle.
Goes through progressions and very effective when
pre-snap read and first option aren’t there. But has
limited game experience, and his rawness shines
through at times. Forces too many throws into
coverage. Competitive edge gets the best of him and
he’ll try to make plays that aren't there. Must
learn the value of ball security and when to throw
it away.
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"Good anticipation and ability to deliver the ball
before the receiver makes his break. A bit
unpolished with mechanics - especially with
footwork. Does not always step to target or throw on
balance which can cause him to miss the mark. Ball
placement must improve /he forces receivers to
adjust on routine throws. Much more accurate with
short-to-intermediate throws than as a deep thrower
(Deep throws can occasionally sail). Appears more
comfortable targeting the middle of the field than
outside the numbers. Usually throws accurately on
the run both rolling left and right. "
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¾ to sidearm release, but gets it out quickly and
can release the ball accurately from a variety of
launch points.. Low release point raises slight
concerns about batted balls. Arm strength is
adequate-to-good / can make all the NFL throws.
Lacks elite ability to stretch the field vertically.
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Above-average athleticism and quick feet within the
pocket. Can break contain and buy time to extend
plays. But must do a better job of keeping eyes
downfield when avoiding the rush. Long strider who
can move the sticks with feet if he can gain the
perimeter. Lacks a natural feel in the pocket, must
show more poise and vacates the pocket too quickly.
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Brett
Osweiler 6067 242 Arizona State (Arm: 33¾. Hand:
9¾) |
Combine: DNP Forty: 4.97 |
BP: DNP | VJ: DNP | BJ: DNP | 3C: DNP | 20Sh: DNP |
60Sh: DNP |
Pro Day -
Osweiler sprained his foot in ASU’s loss
to the Boise State in the Las Vegas Bowl, an injury that
kept him from participating in the combine.
One day after Ryan Tannehill
wowed NFL scouts and coaches with his workout,
Osweiler did the same, launching himself into
first-round consideration.
He ran the 40-yard dash in 4.98 and 4.97
seconds indoors on FieldTurf. He threw for those in
attendance, but did not do any other drills. Osweiler threw
72 passes, with seven hitting the ground. The seven misses
were not, however, an indicator of wildness; his accuracy
was very good. He presented himself very well, which is
important for a quarterback, and interacted well with his
receivers.
Despite his height, he is very flexible
and has a solid throwing platform. Mazzone has worked with
him to correct a tendency to drop his elbow, which Osweiler
avoided doing on Friday. Based on Friday’s workout, I think
Osweiler vaulted himself into the first round on draft day.
He will likely work out for a number of teams; there is a
lot of excitement surrounding him. His showing Friday was
somewhat surprising; I think he exceeded the expectations of
everybody in attendance. Osweiler has a lot of upside, and
some team with a need at the position will be tempted late
in the first round.
PFW Scout's Candid Comment:
"The big guy has a lot of talent to
work with now. He's not ready, but he has the "tools" - sick
size, athletic ability, and he's a passer, not a thrower.
The senior class is gross."
Pro Football Draft Guide
– Brings an unprecedented package of size and athleticism. A
developmental QB but has starting potential in an offense
that emphasizes the deep ball.
From nfl.com -
Intriguing early-entry prospect out of ASU. Two year
starter. Good athlete
for the position. Basketball background. Has the arm
strength to be a first-day pick but lacks
first round
consistency .
Has a very deliberate, quick-twitch setup … athleticism
allows him to play the position naturally and with ease.
Slings the ball naturally. Release is so compact and
effective he can get away with patting the ball
Shining asset is his
arm strength; (he can make all the NFL throws).Good leader
who looks in control in the huddle and on the field. Above
average accuracy and knows when to add touch to the ball or
to zip it. Has the pocket presence of a first-day pick and
doesn't go down easily. Can extend plays with his feet.
Had on-the-field
judgment issues throughout his college career and has
ball-protection issues. The more confidence he builds, the
more of a gun-slinger mentality he adopts - tThis severely
hinders his play. When under control, early in games, he is
athletic, accurate, and a good game manager. Will need to
learn to rein in some of his more competitive traits.
Developmental prospect who might struggle if forced to play
early on.
ESPN (Scouts, Inc.) - Comes from a spread system
/will need time to adjust to pro system. Tough competitor on
the field and not afraid to sit the pocket and deliver throw
while taking a hit or give up body as a runner. Seems to
have the mental capacity to adapt / sees the entire field
and get to second and third progression during film study.
Good at holding safeties and not tipping his hand with
initial drop. Sometimes trusts arm too much. Some
inconsistency vs. blitz.
A lot of room to grow, but naturally accurate due to
athleticism and very good hand-eye coordination.
Will need coaching and polish with mechanics and
footwork . Will short-hop throws when over-striding
with front foot. Has big hands that swallow the ball
and allow him to deliver an accurate throw
off-balance. Can drive the ball and fit throws into
tight windows (only a very few prospects and a
handful of NFL quarterbacks can do what he can do).
Still developing in terms of projection and ball
speed with deep throws. Excellent upside in this
area with proper coaching and development. "
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¾ release but lower release point does not appear to
be an issue due to height. Will pat the ball which
can tip off defenders at the next level. But his
release is compact and he gets the ball out quickly
for a quarterback his height. Also can change up
release points on the move. Arm strength a notch
below elite but can make all the NFL throws. Can
drive the ball down field and stretch the field
vertically.
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"Height and long limbs make for a big tackling
target inside the pocket. But much more athletic and
agile than Joe Flacco,
Ryan Mallett. Etc.
Basketball background translates to maneuvers inside
the pocket. Has a natural feel for the rush and good
at keeping eyes downfield. Ball security a glaring
issue /must do a better job of keeping both hands on
the ball inside the pocket. Will never be a running
threat is able to break contain and extend plays on
the perimeter. Mobile enough to pick up yards and
move the chains with his feet.
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Nick Foles
6050 243 Arizona (Arm: 34¼. Hand: 10½) |
Combine: Forty:
5.14
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BP: DNP | VJ: 30.5 | BJ: 112 | 3C: DNP | 20Sh: DNP |
60Sh: DNP |
Pro Day — Foles ran the 40-yard
dash in 5.04 and 5.03
seconds. He had a 33-1/2-inch vertical and a 9-0
broad jump. He did the short shuttle in 4.60 seconds
and did the three-cone in 7.27 seconds. Foles was
nothing special; he was okay in his quarterback
workout.
Pro Football Draft Guide
– Should have a lengthy NFL career. But he seems
less franchise QB and more the guy you’d plug in
until something better comes around.
From nfl.com -
Has the arm
strength and size that warrants first-day
consideration . A mechanically sound passer with a
solid release. Buried within a quarterback-laden
draft class. Big-time leader who rarely gets
rattled. Lack of athleticism a concern (projected as
more of a "game manager" type) . But
should be at
least a serviceable starter at the next level. A
team that falls in love with his arm strength, could
draft him as early as the second round.
Strong arm. Sometimes will throw the deep,
cross-field out-route (under pressure and from his
back foot) accurately and with ease. Not the most
athletic quarterback, but
aware in the
pocket & with a good sense of how and when to extend
a play. Strong deep passer but can struggle with
accuracy at times. Accurate on short to intermediate
throws… would be more valuable in a West Coast
scheme. Excellent game manager. Extremely poised in
the pocket and rarely lets a heavy pass rush rattle
him.
Mobility has been his Achilles heel…solely a pocket
passer /hardly ever moves the chains with his
feetCan extend, but he is not going to out-run
anyone at the next level. There are times when the
ball can get away from him when throwing
deep…release is OK but not fast by any means.
Judgment with the ball is somewhat questionable,
(can be slow to get rid of the ball and tends to
scramble into trouble).
ESPN (Scouts, Inc.) - Knows how to go through
progressions. No longer panics when first read fails
him. Will miss some open receivers at times but
knows how to scan the entire field and work back to
his third and fourth reads. Poise and anticipation
much improved in 2011. Physically and mentally
tough. Will hang in the pocket and take a big hit in
order to deliver the ball. Still makes some
questionable decisions - must limit amount of risks
he takes when defenders are wrapping him up.
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Overall accuracy is good. Good balance as a passer
and generally will step to his target and follow
through. A bit erratic on fades and back shoulder
throws. Will miss inside the strike zone and must
improve ball placement consistency.
Has improved his touch
and timing. Throws a very catchable ball and knows
how to lead his receivers after catch on underneath
throws. Most underrated aspect of his game is
accuracy under pressure – completed 65-percent of
his throws under pressure - among the elite in the
2012 draft class.
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Compact ¾ release. Has very few passes batted down.
Will change release point if necessary. Arm strength
good but not elite. Can make all the necessary
throws and drive the ball down the field vertically.
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Limited overall athlete. Takes too many sacks. Slow
footed and takes too long to get on the move. Can
extend plays but is limited in terms of elusiveness
and will not pose as a running threat at the next
level. But his poise under pressure is much
improved. Creativity and playmaking ability after
initial play broke down has improved. A big, sturdy
QB who frequently can make throws with defenders
hanging fall over his lower body.
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Brandon
Weeden 6036 Oklahoma State (Arm: 31¾. Hand:
9½) |
Combine: Forty: DNP |
BP: DNP | VJ: DNP | BJ: DNP | 3C: DNP | 20Sh: DNP |
60Sh: DNP |
Pro Day - The
28-year-old ran 4.95
seconds in the 40, posted a 32-inch vertical jump,
8-6 broad jump, 4.49-second short shuttle and
7.40-second three-cone drill. He looked very good
throwing, tossing only one uncatchable pass.
Pro Football Draft Guide
– The age factor will rightly push him down, but
Weeden is a safe pick. We think he tops out as a
quality No. 2.
From nfl.com -
Pro baseball background. Weeden has been the signal
caller for one of the country's most efficient
offenses. Poised, effective with great pocket
presence -
makes quick decisions with the ball to keep the
chains moving. Rarely throws interceptions despite a
high number of attempts /could go as high as the
second round.
Has an NFL-quality frame that Quick release is his
strongest asset -consistently gets the ball out with
a compact throwing motion and strong delivery. Ball
zips off his arm /he can fit it in any tight space
with great velocity. He is "all of the above" in
terms of being a mature, poised leader. Accurate
passer both short and long, with that gunslinger
mentality to go for the deep ball and give his
receivers a chance. Understands route progressions
and how to throw ball to where his guy can make a
play.
Only an average athlete and very limited when
scrambling. Tough time getting outside the pocket/
his accuracy and touch decrease immensely when he
scrambles. Seems to grasp route concepts and looks
for his second option, but he will hold the ball too
long.
ESPN (Scouts, Inc.) -
Plays in a spread system and has almost no
experience working under center. Gun-slinger type
mentality Must continue to cut down on forced throws
. Hangs tough in pocket and will go through
progressions. Patient in the pocket / keeps his eyes
down the field. Physically and mentally tough.
Capable of leading his team from behind and
delivering in clutch.
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Exceptionally accurate when he has a clean pocket
and can step into his throws. Above average
anticipation and timing. Knows how to take mustard
off fastball and throw a more catchable ball
underneath. Can throw accurately from different
launch points. Puts good air under deep ball, but a
high percentage of his throws were made within 10
yards of the LOS. Struggles with his accuracy when
throwing under pressure.
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Baseball background. Tends to pat the ball before
delivery / release point is closer to three-quarters
than over-the-top (raising concerns about batted
balls). However, he has a quick delivery and the
ball explodes off of his hand. Throws a tight spiral
more often than not. Overall arm strength is just a
notch below elite.
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Overall pocket awareness has
improved
but remains only
average at best. Tends to drift backwards vs.
outside pressure rather than stepping up in the
pocket. But showed more patience in the pocket as a
senior and does a good job of keeping his eyes down
the field. Adequate athletic ability for position.
Can slide and buy some second chances but lacks
ideal foot quickness. Will never be a running
threat.
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Kirk Cousins
6025 214 Michigan State (Arm: 31¾. Hand: 9¾) |
Combine: Forty: 4.93|
BP: DNP | VJ: 28.5 | BJ: 109 | 3C: 7.05 | 20Sh: 4.50
| 60Sh: DNP |
Pro Day -
Scripted his own workout and threw for about 25
minutes. He was very accurate in short and
intermediate routes but missed a couple of long
throws. Scouts said he worked out real well — was
what you expected. Right now he ranks as the
fifth-best quarterback in the draft. I would say if
Minnesota, Seattle and Cleveland had their QB
coaches there, they would think of him in the second
round.
BRS (Gollin)
- Once
upon a time, there was this unspectacular dude who
ran the Michigan offense efficiently but was drafted
late. His name: Tom Brady. (Just sayin')
PFW Scout's Candid Comment:
"I wish (Cousins) had more juice in his arm, but
it's difficult not to like everything else about
him."
Pro Football Draft Guide
–
He should stick as a backup, but Cousins’ poor
decision-making should prevent him from earning a
starting job
From nfl.com -
Three-year captain, at Michigan State. Self-made
guy, a tireless worker with deficiencies that could
hurt his pro potential. Not a very strong deep
thrower (velocity
is OK, but his accuracy is questionable). Could get
drafted based on his experience and intangibles, but
will need to put on size and fine-tune certain
throwing deficiencies to catch on at the next level.
Has late-round value to a team as a potential
backup.
Has all the intangibles to be
an NFL
quarterback . An accurate and safe thrower who knows
how to pick his spots. A good athlete who can make
plays on the run, but won’t run past many NFL
defenders. Safe pick as a backup option.
Widely
considered to be a game manager type at the next
level. Makes good decisions with the ball but has
not shown he can make big plays to move the offense
and win games. Will need talent around him to
succeed.
ESPN (Scouts, Inc.) -
39 career starts in a pro-style system and will be
ahead of the learning curve in terms of
understanding protections and making pro-style
reads. Goes through progressions but doesn't always
see the entire field and will lock onto target at
times. Structurally sound / plays within the system.
Will take his check downs / knows when to throw the
ball away.. Will get into trouble trying thread the
needle. Solid internal clock under pressure. Tough
both physically and mentally. Will sit in the pocket
and deliver throw knowing he is going to take a
shot. Smart with a good feel for situational
football. Fairly successful running the two minute
drill with the game on the line.
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Above-average accuracy when on schedule and throwing
with good rhythm and timing. Adequate touch / can
change up projections and ball-speeds to drop the
ball into a window on intermediate throws. Can throw
receivers open away from coverage. Accuracy will dip
when he doesn’t set feet /not adept at consistently
delivering accurate throws when offbalance. Will
fall off throws throwing to his left. Deep ball
accuracy is adequate but there’s room for
improvement in touch and projection.
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Over-the-top to ¾ release. A bit of a wind up but
gets the ball out relatively quickly. Can make all
the necessary NFL throws. Adequate zip on deep outs
from opposite hash. But lacks (Matt Stafford or Joe
Flacco) elite arm strength to stretch the field
vertically.
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Limited overall athlete. Moves well enough to buy
time within the pocket. Can feel edge pressure and
climb the pocket when needed. But doesn't always
sense backside pressure and can hold onto the ball
too long. Lacks elite ability to escape pressure and
buy time. Will never be a running threat at the next
level.
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Darron Thomas
6026 220 Oregon (Arm: 32¾. Hand: 9½) |
Combine: Forty: 4.80 |
BP: 14 | VJ: 36.0 | BJ: 121| 3C: 7.17 | 20Sh: 4.28 |
60Sh: DNP |
Pro Day - The
early-entrant signal caller ran a 4.80 40-yard dash
and had a 35 1/2-inch vertical jump and a 10-6 broad
jump.
Pro Football Draft Guide
– The Tim Tebow phenomenon has certainly opened a
few minds when it comes to athletic non-passers
under center, but
Thomas is even further away than Tebow is. He
seems like a practice squad body who could have the
potential to contribute down the line under a
creative coordinator.
From nfl.com -
Passed up his senior year. Only a year removed from
appearing in the national championship game, he had
an extremely productive year. Has some intriguing
aspects to his game and potemntially could be taken
as a flier in the late rounds.
There is something to be said for being able to run
such a high-tempo spread option offense like the one
run at Oregon. Excellent game manager. Deceptively
big and strong, and ( at 6'3" 215 pounds) has good
size for the NFL. Room to add more weight to his
frame. Can make quick decisions with the ball and is
an accurate passer in the short to intermediate
game. A threat as a runner and can get zip on some
of his balls.
Must develop a quicker release.
Although
he releases the ball at a nice high point, he has a
lot of wasted motions that delay the timing of
routes. Often made easy, dump-off throws in cllege
and wasn't relied upon to put the ball in tight
spots. Not the open-field athlete that his pocket
movements might suggest.
ESPN (Scouts, Inc.) -
Comes from a fast-paced spread attack and has very
limited experience taking snaps from under center.
Must learn how to make reads while dropping. Can
go through progressions
with good tempo. Good poise in the pocket and cool
under pressure but also has made some critical
errors. Must be more consistent with his decision
making and production while under pressure.
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Inconsistent accuracy, but can make some difficult
throws look easy at times. Good accuracy when he
steps toward his target and transfers weight from
back-to-front, but gets sloppy with his footwork and
needs to become more diligent. Not a natural
spinner. Does not get great rpm’s on the ball. Not
accurate enough when throwing in the face of the
pass rush. Must be more consistent with his touch on
underneath throws; (tries to throw too many
fastballs when touch needed). Will make tough throws
when throwing on the run. Lacks ideal height and
seems to struggle finding clean passing windows. Has
too many balls batted down..
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"Long, wind-up delivery a significant concern.
Release is over-the-top but he’ll dip the ball down
and take entirely too long to get from Point A to
Point B. Overall arm strength adequate but not
elite. Can get good zip on intermediate throws and
can fit the ball into tight spots when he really
gets his body behind the throw. Struggles to
consistently drive the ball down the field but is
capable of making all the throws so long as the ball
comes out on time and he has room to follow through
on delivery.
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Quick feet. Generally feels pressure on time and is
agile enough to consistently buy extra time. Good at
resetting his feet. Will hang tough in the pocket
and take the hit in order to buy time for receiver
to get open. Adept at throwing accurately on the
run. Average speed and elusiveness for the position,
and is a better-than-average threat to run.
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Ryan Lindley
6036 229 San Diego State (Arm: 32½. Hand: 10) |
Combine: Forty: 4.90 |
BP: DNP | VJ: 29.5 | BJ: 108 | 3C: 7.52 | 20Sh: 4.45
| 60Sh: DNP |
Pro Day - Put on
a show, completing 67 of 73 passes on the day
despite not working with any of his own receivers.
Lindley is very smart and has good arm strength. He
should be a fourth-round draft pick.
BRS (Gollin)
-
Not my
favorite Cardinal pick. Wasn't impressed by his
tendency to make mental errors in post season. Hope
he proves me wrong.
Pro Football Draft Guide
– His arm makes him worth a look, but Lindley has a
ways to go before he can see the field. He’s a #3
with the potential to become a quality #2.
From nfl.com -
Athletic signal caller with first-round
physical
talent (Strongest
senior thrower in this year's draft, Can make
cross-field deep out throws with ease. Athletic in
his pass set /good at surveying the field for his
second and third reads. Has problems in judgment /
getsinto trouble with interceptions and poorly
placed balls. Solely on his size and arm strength ,
Lindley could be selected in the late third round
He has a very lively arm and can drive the ball from
anywhere on the field off his back foot. When he is
having a good game, Lindley can thread the needle
and put the ball on a receiver in stride 65 yards
down the field. Athletic in his pass set and can
extend plays / fend off would-be rushersA
developmental talent who has value to teams who are
willing to be patient with him. Could develop into a
starter based off his size and arm strength.
But he has been inaccurate at times
- will throw
an NFL pass on one play, and then come back to make
a bad decision and put his team in trouble on the
next. Athletic but can be a slow mover and take
sacks when he holds on to the ball too long. Most of
his issues stem from his inconsistency throwing the
ball on intermediate and deep routes.
ESPN (Scouts, Inc.) -
Gunslinger who puts too much faith in arm strength
and throws into coverage far too often. Inconsistent
with his reads. Makes far too many questionable
decisions, especially when pocket is collapsing
around him. Tough and willing to hang in the pocket.
Goes through progressions and Can manipulate
coverage with eyes but has room to improve. Smart
and picks things up quickly but film room work
doesn't always transfer to the field."
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Very good touch and timing on deep throws over the
middle. Can put the ball where the receiver can run
under it when throwing down the sideline. Can make
tough throws look easy, but is far too inconsistent
with his accuracy. Everything he does feels rushed.
Struggles with touch throws. Tries to sling
everything. Not natural at taking velocity off the
ball. Does not do well when forced to change release
points.
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Over-the-top and quick release. Natural and relaxed
follow through when footwork is sound. Arm strength
a notch below elite. Puts the ball on a rope when
throwing outside the hashes. Can thread the needle.
Can stretch the field vertically and made some
impressive throws on film. Can drive the ball
vertically. Doesn't have to set or step into throw
to put adequate zip on pass.
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Pocket presence and mobility below average. Takes a
split longer to set than most quarterbacks when
dropping from under center. Senses pressure off the
edge and keeps eyes downfield when stepping up, but
not quick enough to get outside the pocket and can’t
move well enough laterally to consistently sidestep
pressure up the middle.
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Kellen Moore
5116 197 Boise State (Arm: 30¼. Hand: 9½) |
Combine: Forty: 4.94 |
BP: DNP | VJ: 27.0 | BJ: 99 | 3C: 7.41| 20Sh: 4.56 |
60Sh: DNP |
Pro Day -
Moore
was the winningest quarterback in NCAA history, but
teams are concerned about his height and whether he
will be able to make all the necessary throws in the
NFL. After taking in his workout Thursday, most
scouts think he might never be more than a very
successful backup in a timing-based system.
BRS (Gollin)
- Just
for the sake of argument - If Joe Montana were to
come out in 2012 (given the recent trend toward big,
athletic, mobile &/or big-armed QB's), would he do as
well in today's NFL then he did in his heyday?
Pro Football Draft Guide
– A classic overachiever. Moore will stick in the
NFL. But, with his lack of arm-strength, it’s tough
to see him ever becoming a starter.
From nfl.com -
Moore has been at the forefront of draft discussions
for years (about whether his incredible accuracy and
intangibles -
as the undisputed leader for a perennial
Boise State winner - are enough to offset physical
limitations – most notably lack of size and arm
strength). Look for a team to take Moore in the late
rounds looking to bring in a strong leader, heady
quarterback, and potential backup onto their team.
A strong
leader / very poised in the pocket and under
pressure. Quick pass set that is balanced and under
control. Gets rid of the ball quickly and picks his
spots effectively, although his release is slightly
a 3/4 sidearm. Has all the intangibles and is a very
accurate thrower both short and long. Understands
route progressions and how to put touch on the ball.
Will scan the field and locate his second and third
options.. But he is just under six feet tall…
struggles when throwing on the run and working
outside the pocket…a very slow mover with his feet.
Biggest knock on Moore is his arm strength.
Often lobs the ball and puts touch on his deep outs
and will likely be intercepted early in the NFL if
he can't learn to drive it harder.
ESPN (Scouts, Inc.) -
Cerebral QB who does an efficient job of
orchestrating a pro-style offense. Great at getting
pre/post snap reads. Diagnoses coverages quickly and
has very good anticipation and timing with throws.
Sound decision maker who can get through
progressions and rarely forces throws into coverage.
Understands the value of ball security and willing
to take check downs. Holds a 99-19 TD/INT ratio
through first three seasons. Arguably the most
poised, efficient and effective QBs in all of
football running the two-minute drill with the game
on the line.
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Throws a catchable ball. Very accurate with
short-throws and rarely forces targets to adjust to
the ball. Excellent touch /candrop the ball in the
bucket with fade/go routes. Can change ball speeds
and projection with intermediate crossing passes.
Makes accurate throws off of back foot. But too
often falls away with throws. Accuracy can also dip
when he tries to drive the ball into tight window
downfield.
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¾ release. Lower release point combined with lack of
height brings up concerns for batted down balls. But
does an excellent job of changing release points
when need be. Arm strength average at best. Will
have issues driving the ball down field and ball can
hang in the air on deeper out routes. Will have to
rely on above-average anticipation and timing to be
successful at the next level.
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Lacks speed and elusiveness to be a running threat.
But quick with great poise in the pocket. Naturally
feels the rush and does a great job of maneuvering
to buy time while keeping eyes down field. While he
lacks height he does a nice job of finding throwing
lanes to deliver throw. Can buy break contain and
extend play outside of the pocket if need be. Must
do a better job of keeping both hands on the ball to
protect the ball inside the pocket.
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Russell
Wilson 5015 204 203 Wisconsin (Arm: 31. Hand: 10`¼) |
Combine: Forty: 4.55 |
BP: DNP | VJ: 34.0 | BJ: 118 |
3C: 6.97 | 20Sh: 4.09| 60Sh: DNP |
Pro Day -
Put on a show .Everyone is scared of quarterbacks
who measure under 6-feet, but Wilson looked
absolutely great. This guy whistles the ball. they
say he only had four passes blocked at Wisconsin
this past year — that’s outstanding for a short guy.
His stock is rising.
BRS (Gollin)
- The
next Doug Flutie?
PFW Scout's Candid Comment:
"Wilson is as raw as can be, but I've warmed up to
him. He's going to play in the league. He's really
improved throwing the ball."
Pro Football Draft Guide
– The combination of athleticism and arm will be
enough to earn him a backup role and a chance to
play in some special packages, but he’s a longshot
to become a starting QB.
From nfl.com -
Big-time question mark at quarterback. If he were
three inches taller there would be debate at the top
of the draft as to where he fits in A stellar passer
with arm strength and accuracy when he is able to
deliver the ball without a hitch. Outstanding
football intelligence (picked up the Wisconsin
offense as a NC transfer this past year and in so
short a time became opening-day starter). But, given
his short stature, teams will have concerns whether
or not he can see over the LOS to make throws at the
next level. A mechanical mover with strong technique
and leadership qualities.. Look for teams to take a
flier on him in late rounds to see if he can develop
and outplay his size.
Accurate passer. Very mechanical
- consistent
in his drop -step and thoroughly understands how to
move within the pocket and evade when the pocket
collapses. Can torque his body to make any sort of
throw on the run, and is accurate in doing so. A
born signal caller with
command of the offense. Has the arm strength to make
the deep throws and the touch to put it on a
receiver in stride. Effective when scrambling
- a classic
play extender. Short height will be his biggest
problem at
the next level (and the largest reason for his
late-round value). It remains to be seen if he can
throw effectively from the pocket at the next level.
ESPN (Scouts, Inc.) -
Four-year starter who’s excelled in two different
offenses and a leader for two different teams over
the past two seasons. Above average awareness with a
strong grasp of both offenses he's played in. But an
inconsistent decision maker / size appears to play
bigger role than mental makeup. Inability to see the
entire field causes him to throw into coverage.
While he occasionally gets rattled in the face of
pressure, his poise is generally above average.
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Will occasionally miss the strike zone / deep
accuracy is especially inconsistent but timing is
above average and can pound the strike zone when
gets into a rhythm and has a clear sightline. Hits
receivers in stride when gets a clear passing
window. Accurate rolling right and left. But
accuracy dips considerably when forced to throw from
inside the pocket.
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Pats the ball before starting his throwing motion.
Gets ball out quickly once he's made a decision. Big
hands for frame and can pump the ball without losing
grip. Average to slightly above average overall arm
strength.
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Senses pressure. Can step up to avoid pressure off
the edge though he can struggle locating receivers
downfield when does. Can spin away from pressure.
Freezes defenders with quick feet. As effective
rolling left as is rolling right. A threat to tuck
and run when gets a seam.
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Casey Keenum
6005 208 Houston (Arm: 30¾. Hand: 9 |
Combine: Forty: 4.82 |
BP: DNP | VJ: 32.5 | BJ: 103 | 3C: DNP | 20Sh: DNP |
60Sh: DNP |
Pro Day - Ran a 4.30 40 (Ed Note -
That forty time has to be a typo) and had a time of
6.88 seconds in the three cone. Keenum did 18 lifts
on the bench and looked good throwing the ball.
Keenum is one of the most productive quarterbacks in
college football history, setting the record for
overall passing yardage in a career.
Pro Football Draft Guide
– Consider that many
of the records he broke belonged to Hawaii’s
Tommy Chang who never got close to an NFL roster
spot. Keenum is a similar prospect. When you look
past the numbers, he’s a borderline NFL prospect.
From nfl.com -
One of the most highly productive quarterbacks in
college football history. (If numbers were pure
projections to the next level, Keenum would be the
undisputed top pick). Unfortunately for him, his
height might limit him as he moves to the next
level. It's obvious that Keenum is an accurate and
prolific passer working from inside the pocket. How
that production translates to the NFL is the big
question.
He had an ungodly amount of production while at
Houston - a good, mechanical thrower who makes quick
decisions within the scheme. Understands how to read
defenses and pick his spots in zones. Accurate
thrower who puts good touch on his throws to lead
his receivers. Good at extending the play and
working outside the pocket. But he’s an undersized
prospect (will need to show he can throw effectively
from the pocket. Could be considered the beneficiary
of an effective, high-octane collegiate spread
offense.
ESPN (Scouts, Inc.) - Played in a spread
shotgun attack that runs a lot of screens and is
misdirection heavy. Didn't always make sound reads
after the snap. Put too much faith in arm strength
and forced the ball into coverage too often. Can
throw the ball away when situations call for it but
is inconsistent in this area /takes too many chances
in the face of pressure. (Took a 21-yard sack in the
2009 East Carolina game). Can scanned the field and
check down when pass protection is sound. Will fight
for yards after contact when scrambling.
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Can lead receivers and hit stationary targets in the
numbers but timing and footwork affect deep
accuracy. Can be a quarter-count late delivering the
ball and will throw behind receivers. Above-average
touch but ball can also sail when attacking the deep
middle.
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Can get the ball out of hands in a flash but has a
bit of a sidearm release and is vulnerable to
getting passes tipped at the LOS. Seemed to grip the
ball well in bad weather. Above average arm
strength. Can zip the ball downfield and thread the
needle.
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Active feet and excellent pocket presence. Will step
up or spin outside to avoid pressure coming off the
edge. Can sidestep pressure up the middle. Keeps
eyes downfield. Can pick up yards and extend drives
with feet when nothing available downfield. Knee
injury raises concerns here and ability to bounce
back remains to be seen.
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Jacory
Harris 6-3 203 (Arm: 32)
Miami (FL) |
Combine - Forty: 4.72 |
Ten: | Twenty: | VJ: 37 | BJ: 113 |
Sh Sh: 4.40 | 3C: 7.10 |
BRS (Gollin) -
He'll have to pass a try-out before we
actually sign him. Seems to be more a creature of the
reputation of the Miami program than he is a legitimate pro
talent. He'd logically throw to former 'Cane teammate and
UDFA signee LaRon Byrd when he arrives in AZ.
Walter Mitchell (posting on ASFN) - 2011 stats: personal best
65% comp. 3rd best QB rating in ACC at 158.2 20 TD 9 int. He
too is being brought in for a tryout. He burst on the scene
three years ago when Mark Whipple became the OC---had a good
sophomore year and then struggled quite a bit as a junior.
Lacks the big arm you want---and doesn't scramble the way
you think he could. But, he leaves Miami as 2nd All-Time in
TDs (70) and yards (8,826).
NFL.Com -
Harris is a player who will be under the microscope in the
postseason draft process considering his history at Miami.
Although he has started three years (plus two games as a
true freshman, including the opener) and has experience
quarterbacking at a high level, Harris lacks many of the key
inherent attributes that make NFL quarterbacks successful,
as he is thin and lacks arm strength. Harris could stand to
put on size before expecting to step into an NFL pocket, as
well as continue to develop his arm and accuracy. While
there are knocks on his skill set, Harris is considered a
gamer and could expect to be taken in late rounds by teams
looking for a change-of-pace quarterback.
Strengths Harris' biggest strength is that he
was able to start for so many games at Miami. He has led the
Hurricanes on many late-game victory drives and had some
productive outings. He is a good game manager and
distributes the ball well both short and intermediate. He
has shown a good throwing motion and touch on his ball.
Weaknesses
Harris is thin for the position and could have durability
issues. He can be sporadic with his throws and is not
accurate throwing the ball deep. For his size, he should be
more of a running threat, and he is effective mostly just
out of the pocket.
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